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]]> By: FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry. http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/comment-page-2/#comment-14865 FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry. Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:01:34 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/#comment-14865 [...] MMA Critic: The vision of PRIDE supporters (this harkens back to The Echo Chamber article) [...] [...] MMA Critic: The vision of PRIDE supporters (this harkens back to The Echo Chamber article) [...]

]]> By: FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry. http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/comment-page-2/#comment-10927 FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry. Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:23:15 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/#comment-10927 [...] Right after we taped our newest show (reviewing the PRIDE Las Vegas event), news broke that both Vitor Belfort and Pawel Nastula failed their drug tests (issued by the NSAC). We’ll have a lot more on this story on next week’s show. On this week’s show, we discuss the fallout from PRIDE’s LV event (what the future of the company is, what the company is attempting to do that no other major fighting league has ever accomplished, reaction to The Echo Chamber article). Also, we have a news-of-the-world segment previewing the dream match that everyone has wanted to see, Mike Tyson vs. Tom Jones. Plus the world famous grab bag segment. A very entertaining show this week. [...] [...] Right after we taped our newest show (reviewing the PRIDE Las Vegas event), news broke that both Vitor Belfort and Pawel Nastula failed their drug tests (issued by the NSAC). We’ll have a lot more on this story on next week’s show. On this week’s show, we discuss the fallout from PRIDE’s LV event (what the future of the company is, what the company is attempting to do that no other major fighting league has ever accomplished, reaction to The Echo Chamber article). Also, we have a news-of-the-world segment previewing the dream match that everyone has wanted to see, Mike Tyson vs. Tom Jones. Plus the world famous grab bag segment. A very entertaining show this week. [...]

]]> By: FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry. http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/comment-page-2/#comment-10897 FightOpinion.com - Your Global Connection to the Fight Industry. Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:53:39 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/#comment-10897 [...] The biggest question, as Zach Arnold pointed out in his piece, is whether that show got over with any casual fans that might have been watching because to build on that attendance figure, they will need to start attracting more casual fans. The hardcore fan base is a good place to start from. UFC relied on their base for support for many years following the cable ban, and even after Zuffa put them back on PPV, but were still without national television. [...] [...] The biggest question, as Zach Arnold pointed out in his piece, is whether that show got over with any casual fans that might have been watching because to build on that attendance figure, they will need to start attracting more casual fans. The hardcore fan base is a good place to start from. UFC relied on their base for support for many years following the cable ban, and even after Zuffa put them back on PPV, but were still without national television. [...]

]]> By: pwedza http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/comment-page-2/#comment-10873 pwedza Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:30:36 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/#comment-10873 Nevertheless, PRIDE is HUGE in Europe Nevertheless, PRIDE is HUGE in Europe

]]> By: Bryan http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/comment-page-1/#comment-10863 Bryan Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:39:09 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/#comment-10863 "I didn’t say they would be as over in Zambia as they are here, I said they aren’t much better known in America than they are in Zambia. The fact that 11k people know who they are (many of whom are not Americans) doesn’t invalidate what I said at all." The vast majority of the attendees were American (Almost everyone spoke American English, I oveheard two people speaking in Spanish while walking to my seat but that hardly means they're foreigners) and you don't get over with a crowd like you're Steve Austin in the late 90's unless people know who you are. And really, one need only pay attention to their dvd to know that people in America are aware of Pride and by extension, Fedor. You don't re-release events in "special edition" form unless the thing is selling well and Pride has begun doing that with several of their more popular titles like The 2000 GP and Bad Blood (Shamrock versus Frye). The most surprising thing about the show for me was how intelligent everyone around me was. With the articles about UFC sabotage and rumos about UFC guys trying to sabotage the GP, I was worried that I'd be surrounded by those idiots or just plain drunk morons. But I was pleasantly surprised by everyone. I think you're grossly underestimating the knowledge of MMA fans in America. You don't have to travel to Japan to watch Pride with the internet and dvd you can pretty much see everything that they have ever done. Frankie J--- The card may not have been all that great as far Pride cards go in terms of fight quality potential. However, I think it was smart booking on their part. Only one fight went to a decision and there three submissions with the rest of the victories coming by TKO. The crowd was hot and the fights were fast paced and exciting which gave the crowd even more reason to cheer. Pride can obviously put on better cards but when you have more evenly matched guys fighting your run the risk of the guys matching up too well and getting into a stalemate situation. The only fight during the event that got any boos from the crowd was Barnett/Natsula when Natsula was struggling to take him to the mat. All of the fights ended up being exciting and Pride put on a great show that led to a wonderful experience and I think that's what their goal should have been. Now that they've gotten the Pride experience out of the way I think they can start to focus on putting out better cards and working on building a larger fanbase out of the positive experience we all had. Tomer--- Pride's fanbase is not static. There aren't 23,476 hardcore Pride fans in the US without the possibility for growth. This show was meant to give the "otakus" the Pride experience and to put on a show that was more exciting than the UFC for any casual fans who might have attended (and to make sure everyone went home happy, of course). Hence, the squash matches leading to exciting short, fast paced fights, most of which ended in some pretty sweet knockouts. Their goal isn't to bleed all of the people that went to this show dry until we can't spend any more money on the shows and to then get out of dodge (That's a horrible business strategy). As BSP said, their goal is to get a share of the American market. They put on a successful show that everyone went home happy from and already have another card with a top level draw on it---and a show which they can produce a better (fight quality potential) card for. And this is after people are aware that even under American rules Pride still kicks ass. “I didn’t say they would be as over in Zambia as they are here, I said they aren’t much better known in America than they are in Zambia. The fact that 11k people know who they are (many of whom are not Americans) doesn’t invalidate what I said at all.”

The vast majority of the attendees were American (Almost everyone spoke American English, I oveheard two people speaking in Spanish while walking to my seat but that hardly means they’re foreigners) and you don’t get over with a crowd like you’re Steve Austin in the late 90’s unless people know who you are. And really, one need only pay attention to their dvd to know that people in America are aware of Pride and by extension, Fedor. You don’t re-release events in “special edition” form unless the thing is selling well and Pride has begun doing that with several of their more popular titles like The 2000 GP and Bad Blood (Shamrock versus Frye). The most surprising thing about the show for me was how intelligent everyone around me was. With the articles about UFC sabotage and rumos about UFC guys trying to sabotage the GP, I was worried that I’d be surrounded by those idiots or just plain drunk morons. But I was pleasantly surprised by everyone. I think you’re grossly underestimating the knowledge of MMA fans in America. You don’t have to travel to Japan to watch Pride with the internet and dvd you can pretty much see everything that they have ever done.

Frankie J—

The card may not have been all that great as far Pride cards go in terms of fight quality potential. However, I think it was smart booking on their part. Only one fight went to a decision and there three submissions with the rest of the victories coming by TKO. The crowd was hot and the fights were fast paced and exciting which gave the crowd even more reason to cheer. Pride can obviously put on better cards but when you have more evenly matched guys fighting your run the risk of the guys matching up too well and getting into a stalemate situation. The only fight during the event that got any boos from the crowd was Barnett/Natsula when Natsula was struggling to take him to the mat.

All of the fights ended up being exciting and Pride put on a great show that led to a wonderful experience and I think that’s what their goal should have been. Now that they’ve gotten the Pride experience out of the way I think they can start to focus on putting out better cards and working on building a larger fanbase out of the positive experience we all had.

Tomer—

Pride’s fanbase is not static. There aren’t 23,476 hardcore Pride fans in the US without the possibility for growth. This show was meant to give the “otakus” the Pride experience and to put on a show that was more exciting than the UFC for any casual fans who might have attended (and to make sure everyone went home happy, of course). Hence, the squash matches leading to exciting short, fast paced fights, most of which ended in some pretty sweet knockouts.

Their goal isn’t to bleed all of the people that went to this show dry until we can’t spend any more money on the shows and to then get out of dodge (That’s a horrible business strategy). As BSP said, their goal is to get a share of the American market. They put on a successful show that everyone went home happy from and already have another card with a top level draw on it—and a show which they can produce a better (fight quality potential) card for. And this is after people are aware that even under American rules Pride still kicks ass.

]]> By: Frankie J http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/comment-page-1/#comment-10862 Frankie J Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:41:06 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/#comment-10862 Looks like old Zach is worried that Pride hasn't gone out of business yet, as he so boldly and often predicted, and is dissapointed the show wasn't a flop. Name one fight org that has had such a successful debut show in the USA. Pride is not going away Zach, the more you go after this tired "End Of Pride" story, the less credibility you have. What the hell did they do to you anyways? I remember you dissing Mauro on radio a while back.... Petty personal vendettas always make for poor journalism. Having said that it was a dissapointing card of squash matches, but I'd rather see that than a card full of nobodies... Looks like old Zach is worried that Pride hasn’t gone out of business yet, as he so boldly and often predicted, and is dissapointed the show wasn’t a flop.

Name one fight org that has had such a successful debut show in the USA. Pride is not going away Zach, the more you go after this tired “End Of Pride” story, the less credibility you have.

What the hell did they do to you anyways? I remember you dissing Mauro on radio a while back….

Petty personal vendettas always make for poor journalism.

Having said that it was a dissapointing card of squash matches, but I’d rather see that than a card full of nobodies…

]]> By: JThue http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/comment-page-1/#comment-10856 JThue Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:04:04 +0000 http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/10/23/the-echo-chamber/#comment-10856 I don't see any anti-PRIDE in Zach's coverage, just a constant trend of over analyzement, probably fuelled by an intense positive interest in MMA, almost the opposite of PRIDE-hate. Same thing with this article. PRIDE needs TV and more mainstream coverage? Not exactly news - this has been an area where they've been struggling to improve for years and years now. And of which staging a successful PPV in Vegas is actually a positive progress. Now we(fans of MMA) wait and see how they do next. PRIDE.32 was a success. It can not ever be more than what it was - their first show on US soil. So let people celebrate it then. If I see a baby get up and take his or hers first steps, I'm hardly gonna rise up and deliver a speech to all within hearing range about how the kid has a s*itload of an uphill battle ahead to win olympic gold at marathon... "However, this article has to be written because a few things need to be pointed out about PRIDE’s Las Vegas event that haven’t been mentioned online." - What were these things ABOUT THE LAS VEGAS EVENT that hadn't previously been mentioned online anyway? This wasn't an editorial about PRIDE.32 - it's a mixture of general(old) comments about the state of PRIDE and subjective speculation about attendance potential for their next show. When I saw the main site plug for this piece I honestly expected something more newsworthy(whether fantasy or fact) inside. I don’t see any anti-PRIDE in Zach’s coverage, just a constant trend of over analyzement, probably fuelled by an intense positive interest in MMA, almost the opposite of PRIDE-hate. Same thing with this article. PRIDE needs TV and more mainstream coverage? Not exactly news – this has been an area where they’ve been struggling to improve for years and years now. And of which staging a successful PPV in Vegas is actually a positive progress. Now we(fans of MMA) wait and see how they do next. PRIDE.32 was a success. It can not ever be more than what it was – their first show on US soil. So let people celebrate it then. If I see a baby get up and take his or hers first steps, I’m hardly gonna rise up and deliver a speech to all within hearing range about how the kid has a s*itload of an uphill battle ahead to win olympic gold at marathon…

“However, this article has to be written because a few things need to be pointed out about PRIDE’s Las Vegas event that haven’t been mentioned online.”

- What were these things ABOUT THE LAS VEGAS EVENT that hadn’t previously been mentioned online anyway? This wasn’t an editorial about PRIDE.32 – it’s a mixture of general(old) comments about the state of PRIDE and subjective speculation about attendance potential for their next show. When I saw the main site plug for this piece I honestly expected something more newsworthy(whether fantasy or fact) inside.

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